Universal Access To All Knowledge
Home Donate | Store | Blog | FAQ | Jobs | Volunteer Positions | Contact | Bios | Forums | Projects | Terms, Privacy, & Copyright
Search: Advanced Search
Anonymous User (login or join us)
Upload

Reply to this post | See parent post | Go Back
View Post [edit]

Poster: ducats Date: Aug 12, 2010 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

I agree - that's a list of the blues, which imo they played from day one till the end. granted, a little rock n roll, jazz, country, folk, etc., etc, mixed in but.............
BLUES.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 12, 2010 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

"Folk", and "Blues" were cool, country was still looked at a little askance in 66 .
Other than a few dabbles in country, or country-like songs ( the Beatles version of 'Act Naturally" - 65, The Rolling Stones' 'High and Dry' - 66 , The Byrds " Mr. Spaceman - 66 ) most Rock & Roll groups stayed clear of it . While there were a few dabbles with Rock, coming from the country side , It is not till early 68, with Dylan's 'John Wesley Harding' that the beginnings of it being cool to like country music ( interestingly enough , Dylan's 'Blonde on Blonde" was recorded in Nashville ) .
BLUES

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 12, 2010 11:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

I think there was a bit more than 'dabbling' in country music in pre-'68 rock. The Beatles in '64 were just soaked in country, it's all over Beatles for Sale (and to a lesser extent, Hard Day's Night & Help). The Stones were also fascinated by country, though they did less of it. But those are misleading examples, since as English groups, country music didn't have the same cultural meaning to them. The Byrds are an example of a progressive American group that slipped some country tunes on their albums in '66 and '67.

But anyway, your point's pretty much true, '68's the point where country music really hit among rock listeners, thanks to a convergence of bands suddenly doing it.
I think the Dead definitely had cowboy dreams in '69, ridin' horses, livin' out on the ranch, packin' guns & all that. That's the year country music started slipping into their sets, and there was more of it every year...by '73 you'd get first sets that were almost solid country.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ducats Date: Aug 13, 2010 5:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

love to hear some other opinions. I don't care that mamu/mexacali/big river was in every other show. when Johnny played big river it was country, the fat mans version wasn't. Bobby was singing about cowboys in mamu, but Jer wasn't playin country - all imo ofcourse.

you want to go rock n roll rythem and blues - but I don't get the that's country music.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 13, 2010 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

And I don't understand how folks don't understand that country is rock is country is blues is folk is AMERICANA.

Labels are for record store clerks - damn, do I put Gil Scott-Heron in blues, rap (or is that hip-hop), or the jazz section?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqxq6xqoXI

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 13, 2010 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Thank you BD! I was gonna get involved, but frankly, it was too much work...BMonroe? HWilliams? MRobbins? Elvis? JCash? Country, folk, bluegrass, cowboy, rock, etc., etc., or??? Just like rock, psych rock, blah, blah, blah.

I get blues; I get rock; but much of the rest is too vague/overlapping...I like American folk country rock.

Or, minimally, if we are going to split them up, I want it simple: each genre has to be defined by what instruments are used so an idiot like me can instantly say "ah ha! pedal steel means 'country' and fiddle means 'blue grass' and..." or something along those lines...not gonna happen, eh? Too much overlap? See? That's the problem...crap.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 13, 2010 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

I've sometimes idly wondered if it would be possible to write a computer program that would infallibly identify one piece of music as soul, another as reggae, another as death metal, another as bhangra and so on. You'd have to be able to isolate the elements that incontrovertibly and unambiguously defined each one, and I rather suspect it couldn't be done.

I agree with bluedevil, that labels are for record stores and other small-minded types. Basically I listen to what I like and don't worry too much about finding a pigeonhole to put it in.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 14, 2010 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Agreed...and yet, I can recall how much significance was attached to the Byrds doing SwhtotRodeo, and Dylan going electric, in the sense of "genres clash! history is made!" and so on...

So, the flip side is, though the three of us agree on the downsides to this anal retentive streak (you'd think I'd be leading the charge, eh?), there is the "we do KNOW it when we hear it, though we can't define it" aspect to it that contributed to the importance of events such as those alluded to above...

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 13, 2010 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Are you a lawyer or a record store clerk?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 13, 2010 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-VFq6nWvT8

A frustrated lawyer that wants to open a record store and just alphabetize records by ... producer. However, I was, for a brief period of time, the manager of Kathleen Turner Overdrive, namechecked by Jack Black at the end of High Fidelity. Red, white and screwed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjVPJKbnG_I
FYI, the Australian band took their name from the film. The real KTO is 3/4 of the current drivin n cryin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=proQ4WzgiI8&;feature=related

RIP Doug Sahm

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2010-08-13 16:03:09

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 13, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Neat

Whoa Yeah . . . What I Say

This post was modified by jglynn1.2 on 2010-08-13 19:12:40

Terms of Use (31 Dec 2014)